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19 May 2013 10:03:07
He does look like a good player from the clips I've seen but the problem is he could be another Youtube signing like Hohaia who looks good on the Internet but isn't anything special in real life. I hope and think he could be a good signing though as his kicking game looks superb and as long as it stops Wilkin from being our go to man on the last tackle ill be happy.
10 May 2013 15:54:13
It doesn't even make sense to me. Tommy Makinson seems to be dual registered at just about every club in the championship one.
Well in theory I thought it was a good idea - since the reserve league went where else do fringe players get a game?
10 May 2013 15:53:14
I think the first two options that were put forward were decent, twelve/ten team leagues with promotion and relegation, so either of them would be ok. The third option is just stupid and reminds me a bit of the spl in football with the league splitting after everyone has played each other. I'd go for option one myself and scrap the playoffs.
I agree LP - third option is too stupid to even consider.
01 May 2013 12:41:13
Have to say I think the Hooker selections have been wrong.
30 Apr 2013 17:51:41
The Lions head coach should always be a Brit, needs to be to encapsulate the whole meaning of being a Lion.
None of the recent coaches have managed to pull it off, and I'm struggling to see what British managers around at the moment would be an improvement or be capable of getting the job done. I would prefer a british manager, but limiting the options to that in this day and age is a very narrow way of looking at it.
I'm not suggesting there should be more English than welsh in fact one of the most ridiculous inclusions for me is Stevens however I do still have the opinion that this Welsh side is massively overrated. They've been awful for twelve months lost 8 on the spin and even in winning the 6 nations they were not the best side throughout until 1 game against England. let's not forget they lost at home to Argentina and Samoa and got stuffed by New Zealand.
When you look I think all 4 home nations have had bad spells within the last year or two, so there's a case for each team to argue.
But the welsh squad has had the worst spell of the lot yet they get 15 players in?
The way I see it chris is that gartnad has made 3 debateable decisions. Firstly he left out robshaw for lydiate. I'm guessing he did this as he knows lydiate and lydiate is overall better at 6 so adds specialism there rather than robshaws all round play. However robshaw is obviously a very good leader, been playing very well this year while lydiate has been out for a lot of it so I would have chosen robshaw. Secondly he took Hartley instead of best. To be honest I'm not too worried about this one as I don't think either would be a test starter anyway but again I would have taken best. Finally he chose warburton as captain. I'm guessing he did this as he knows warbs well has had him as his captain for Wales so they obviously have a good relationship. Against this is that it is his first lions tour, and he has recently relinquished Wales captaincy to focus on his own game. If it was me then it wouldn't have been warburton but one of o Driscoll o Connell or Wyn jones. So overall I think the squad has the potential to be very good and if his decision to choose warburton and lydiate pays off then we could have an excellent tour.
I would have had this as my XV
Now you're getting close to the par of some of the other posts I've seen. Large part of the squad are team that lost to argentina?
TM, how wrong can you be?
How wrong can I be? I was making a point against one that you made. You are being very selective in what you choose to recall. Your justification for the point you made was Wales losing a game, it's the exact same thing as what you're accusing me of doing, it's just petty point scoring. Which is what my original post was about in the first place.
I'm not being as selective as you, I'm taking the last 18 months into account not just one game.
Chris yes Wales went on a terrible run during last summer and the autumn, they played well below their correct level but that doesn't make them a bad team all of a sudden. England played excellently against New Zealand but aside from that what have they done that has matched Wales? Wales have won the last two 6 nations one with a gs so I don't see how England have been overall better than Wales in the past year or 2.
What have England done that has matched Wales?
How long did it take you to research a list to thrust forward. If we were picking the team based on 18 months we'd be massacred.
Rubbish, up until the final game England had easily been the best team in the tournament, Wales had failed to fire at all.
No i'm neutral because my family is both Welsh and English, and I grew up right on the border, surrounded by a mix of Welsh and English friends.
Not a chance were England the best team in the tournament until the final game chris. They only just scraped through against Italy France and Ireland with Scotland being the only game where they were easily the best team. Wales by contrast played terribly in the first match, especially the first half but then got stronger with players coming back from injury and in the end played one of their best performances against England. Yes they lost 8 on the trot but they had a huge number of injuries (if any other northern team had that many they would have lost all their games as well) but they have since come back and shown how good they really are. You think there shouldn't be 15 Welshmen in the squad and that is your opinion. I agree with you but I am looking at individuals not saying that a certain number of each nationality should be in there as you seem to be doing.
I'm not talking about individual players I'm talking about putting the best squad together and in my opinion, as you well know, I believe that the Welsh team is overrated and based on form over the last 12 months I don't see how Wales get 15 players in.
Chris you keep on saying Wales have 15 players in the squad whereas in reality there are 15 players in the squad who are welsh, they weren't selected on the back of what Wales have done, they were selected for what they have done, with some of that judgement coming from the welsh internationals. Therefore you need to be giving individuals and who to replace them with like I did in my first post rather than saying a country shouldn't have that many in. I completely agree with you getting behind them whoevers in the team.
Ok let's just agree to disagree and get behind them all, I think we'll get beaten though
30 Apr 2013 16:21:23
I actually think he has picked a decent squad, I think right head coach, wrong captain (personally would have gone with either Wyn Jones or O'Connell) and I agree with the selection mainly, do think Best should have been selected and maybe Robshaw as well and would also feel for Ryan Jones as think he would have been a brilliant option to have available.
19 Apr 2013 11:39:44
The World Cup is going to be on tv though, which for a lot of people is an advantage. Also isn't there a work permit/visa issue surrounding Chase, which is why he never got to move to Hull last season.
Mad int it, work permit/visa issues when he is an England international!
You seen the coverage of RLWC13? Only 6 live games on BBC, rest tucked away on premier sports.
I didn't realise the tv only had six games, I'm guessing that's including finals matches? I think it's a shame for TV companies as well, I just hope that the tournament is shown in the smaller rugby playing countries.
It's made holding it in this country a complete waste of time.
15 Apr 2013 21:03:48
I think it will be
10 Apr 2013 20:20:59
31 Mar 2013 18:06:59
I said this a week or three ago - it is crazy that all teams play each other home and away and yet the team which finishes top is not automatically champions.
I don't agree with Nigel wood's spin (that Alastair Campbell would b proud of!) on super league being better than ever, with unpredictable results.
20 Mar 2013 20:53:35
I think the home support should be enough to make the difference. Warrington to win by 10 pts
I agree with you Puzzled, I think Warrington will definately win, it's one of those matches were it will either be a cricket score or a really close match, I think Warrington to win by 18.
Huddz red is keeping his powder dry I see
Soz mate been really busy of late, good win for you against us, see we both lost today tho. could be a very competitive season if results keep coming like they are for all teams. what do you think lp?
Yes, it's Definately going to be a close one this year, especially with teams like Bradford and your team, Huddersfield starting to play better, I think there'll be at least one big name that doesn't make it to the playoffs.
Don't know what's happening with the league huddz red - getting difficult to predict ANY game
20 Mar 2013 10:29:33
Jesus we have had a over 100 years of hypocrisy and it's continues of this site, the request for a separate page for the lions! My god this site isn't exactly busy. Looks like the league buys mucky the water.
League boys mucky the water? We come on here to talk about the better quality game that's all
Better quality game my a***
Come on guys don't start this argument again, the page would be a lot quieter if it weren't for the union boys.
I see that Chris is back to his eloquent self
16 Mar 2013 19:33:56
I can hear those gritted teeth from here chris :). It was one of those performances that a team has only once in a while. The intensity was incredible throughout and England were given no chance. The majority of England were also poor today which is definitely not how they are usually but were yesterday for one reason or another. I was really impressed with how robshaw kept going however, his work rate was phenomenal, always at the breakdown in fairness to him. At the moment I'd play him 6 and tipuric 7 for the lions and faletau at 8.
I would agree with your lions picks welsh, just wondering would you go for Robshaw as captain?
I don't know whether i'd pick Robshaw but I certainly wouldn't complain should Gatland go with him. Although I don't like playing players out of position (France for example) I wonder whether you could try playing Tuilagi on the wing and Twelvetrees in the centre as I think you really need some more flair in the backs. Otherwise I think Barritt may lose out even though I agree he was your stand out back yesterday. Another option could be Burns at 10 and Farrell and Tuilagi at centre. I just feel something different is needed in attack as 1 try in 4 games isn't good enough for England. In fairness to England their defence was quality again with the two tries coming from quick breaks rather than building pressure, it was an achievement to only concede two tries. The Brown tap tackle was amazing. I now can't wait to see all my English friends tomorrow, going to be some serious banter :).
Hi dragon from a fellow over the moon welshman. I have to say I don't agree with robshaw as captain for lions. simply because I don't think he is a cert for test side. I mean c'mon tipuric and warburton done a number on him the weekend and while pocock is out they have to youngsters hooper and gill who will destroy robshaw at the breakdown. while he has other facets to his game if he is to play seven he has to be seen at breakdown as seen on sat he went missing.
Sorry mate your 15 is laughable
I said squad would be dominated by english and welsh. which it will be. but not the test side altho I would agree i'm sure there are a few who you would have a good choice to change. but for me that covers everything the ozzies can throw at. pace, power, breakdown, scrum, line out options, good kickers, decision makers, leaders and with a choice of subs can change the way game is being played. I assume the english would cry out for tuilagi, robshaw, youngs etc but it just my opinion. feel free to post your own side
A proud boyo I wouldn't have robshaw at 7 but if he were to play 6 with either tips or warburton at 7 then that could be a very good back row. I would definitely have faletau at 8 as he is immense even when off form by his own admission. His all round skill is amazing. In the front row I would also have Jenkins instead of Healey as Healey hasn't impressed this tournament whereas Jenkins has steadily played himself back to form culminating in playing very well vs England. Aside from that the team looks good although I would swap Roberts and o Driscoll around and maybe Roberts for tuilagi or davies although that depends on form while on tour.
Hi Dragon. yes still can't really get the robshaw thing. i'm a back rower myself and just don't get it with him. in my humble opinion he seems to be there without actually doing anything. if I were looking to play him at 6 i'd rather go with Croft before him as he gives more options. As for tuiagi for me he is just an impact player and I don't think he is fit enough and a defensive liability. yes if u run straight at him he can lay down the hits. but the ozzies r a clever team and will run at angles at him and he will flounder I feel. As I say i'm sure there are prob a few in there if I pick team in week I will change them. I think with gethin he needs game time to recover his form after the time he has had with toulon. what would your team be dragon
I wouldn't have croft ahead of robshaw or warburton as I don't think he is as good as either of them. Robshaw was always at the breakdown on Saturday I thought and stopped Wales getting anymore quick ball than they did. Against a worse team he would have had a number of turnovers I expect. Jenkins looked very good to me by the end of the 6 nations so the game time he got there clearly did him good so having played in the warm ups I would expect him to be on form. My team at the moment would be
Good side dragon. r. e. my previous comments on robshaw that aside I think that is a team which could topple the australians
10 Mar 2013 14:45:19
Sorry but how is jamie roberts in your team there proud boyo? he was one of the weakest links in the welsh team for the majority of the 6 nations. faletau is the obvious no. 8 as he is one of the best in the game. north had a very quiet 6 nations and would rather have cuthbert (if of course we are going on merit from the 6 nations) there as he was the leading try scorer by a mile. BOD would not be in my starting line up although he would certainly be in the squad for character, experience and a calm head (minus the italy game of course) to settle the ship and see out games. I would have tuilagi there as he offers straight hard running and draws in more than one defender creating gaps if supported properly. sexton would not be in my starting line up either as he did not do much due to injury so it would be farell as he was quality or if rhys priestland is showing form again after coming back from injury. I would also put in robshaw instead of tipuric but not as captain as I would give it to halfpenny who is once again a top talent from wales.
I agree with the majority of your points especially about tuilagi's predictability but maybe the lions could feed off it by getting him to involve another view to his game and surprising the defence or if not just hit up with a good straight line running. I also agree with you saying about the front row needing to be well known with each other to keep the scrum steady but I reckon I would slip dan cole in there purely because he is a scrummaging monster. there are a few positions I am not sure of which would are fly half and inside center. I say farell purely on merit for the 6 nations and previous but that's also due to there being a lack of world class 10's in the northern hemisphere at the moment. so for this my line up would be:
Ben I agree with you that centres are very hard to choose at the moment, I feel it will be the two who form the best partnership together and with the 10 who get the nod on tour. At tight head I would definitely have jones as he completely out scrummaged cole on Saturday and cole hasn't had a great 6 nations. Aside from that I think it looks great, possibly north on the wing, I don't get people calling him one dimensional as he really isn't, look at the Davies try vs Ireland last year to see that but if bowe played instead I wouldn't complain.
Ok well I will take your word for it as I missed the game as I am in china at the moment, but cole is definitely in the squad! I was also impressed by hogg as well thought he was one of the stand out players in the 6 nations, would like to see him taken personally. I can't see us beating the aussies with good rugby tbh. england and irelands form at the end was shambolic and wales coming to play properly again, doubt it will be enough, but who knows hopefully I have to eat my words :)
09 Mar 2013 07:43:59
If I take my Warrington-tinted glasses off it was a good game. Saints tactics were spot on. But I'm too depressed to continue for now
Think offence generated when Roby starts running from dummy half. hasn't really done it this season, but puts teams on the back foot and the defence doesn't come up as quick. Hopefully keep it going till Good Friday and get back to beating the Pie-Eaters.
04 Mar 2013 13:56:32
Their current players aren't exactly world beaters, so I suppose they can't be on too much money, therefore allowing them to offer better players bigger money, I'm not too sure though, I'm just guessing.
It was a publicity stunt he was NEVER going to get the lad
03 Mar 2013 21:47:46
Ha, well I wasnt expecting that. its ok for you, you know your going to be around the top somewhere come the end of the season as we won't be
27 Feb 2013 20:14:50
I agree with your view of league over union. Just look at the Widnes - Hull game last night and then at the England - Ireland Six Nations game a couple of weeks ago. All the commentators said that the weather killed the game in Ireland. I was at Langtree Park last June for Saints v Bulls. Weather was as bad then, if not worse, but it didn't stop Saints playing free-flowing, attacking rugby and racking up over 50 points. I think both codes could learn a thing or two from each other.
25 Feb 2013 19:21:18
I think some aspects of the "family game" are important, obviously for getting rid of racism, homophobia etc. but I think we do need to remove some parts of the family game image and allow big companies to invest in the sport because after all, if the RFL can have an official bingo partner, why can't they be sponsored by a betting company?
Hey jimbob would that be a lancs/yorks decider because they're the only 2 counties interested in the sport?
Unnamed poster, that's like saying is the state of origin only played because there the only two states in Australia interested. It's clearly because those two counties are the most prominent when it comes to rugby league.
The unnamed poster is correct though but your point about the Australian league is valid
25 Feb 2013 01:48:05
24 Feb 2013 14:50:39
Hang on, I thought league was perfect?
Chris this is a league post so stop trying to start an argument. I think the RFL should Definately introduce promotion and relegation again, the bottom teams have nothing to play for come the end of the season and the same goes for the top championship teams. I agree that yorks VS lancs needs to come back and I think it should go back to twelve teams in the league with the top 6 competing in the play offs, the RFL really need a sponsor, I just don't understand why they rejected an offer from a big betting company last year.
Oh I'm sorry LP I thought I could comment on any post but if that's the way you want it that's fine. I'll look forward to not reading comments from you and jimbob on any "union posts"
Chris - you'll notice that Jimbob is complaining about the structures within the game and not about the actual 'game' itself. League certainly isn't 'perfect' but it's a fast exciting game, played by true athletes.
Totally agree Puzzled, the play offs are just a way of attracting sponsors, promotion and relegation is a must, the league leaders shield needs more meaning and maybe a new cup competition should be introduced and Chris stop trying to start an argument, were having a conversation, you know one of those things that mature people have.
17 Feb 2013 21:35:54
It won't be long until Eastmond is in the squad as well, if Tomkins does move to union then England can have Chris Ashton on one wing with Tomkins on the other and Eastmond and Joel Tomkins at centre, that would mean that the majority of the England backs would be league players.
Exact point I was making on previous posts.
And if league is so great why are there so many players leaving it for union?
Well our nameless wonder, no more than what came across in the 80/90s from union when it was "amateur".
There isn't exactly millions swapping there's only three.
17 Feb 2013 10:50:03
Ha ha ok mate, be nice to a double over you.
I hope you still have your 100% record at that time just to add a bit more spice
Huddz red - just been reading (League weekly I think) and some guy from St Helens has written in slagging off your lack of support. I mean the team not you personally - though come to think of it?
The above two posts for huddz red were from me - forgetting whether I am logged in or not - old dogs/new tricks etc
Oh I do support them avidly, I think i'm having a mini confidence crisis in the team at the moment, even though all seems well now i'm just waiting for tthe cracks to appear and then watch as the giants just drop away like they have for the past few years and give some silly excuse as to why its happened. then to top it off sell more of our best players to rival team and give silly wages to aging internationals that will give either nothing or next to nothing to the team than what it already has. I just have no confidence in the current management and am not looking forward to what may be in the future.
Especially when we play a 'proper' team. ;-)
Good god huddz red - I didn't mean to get you depressed - just 'believe'
15 Feb 2013 16:04:09
It will Definately be a good match, the Warrington pack need to be up for it and they will need to play for 80 minutes unlike saints who attacked for an hour against Catalan last year and then they came back and beat us in the last minute.
My only problem with Catalan is that they think the whole world is against them and it shows in everything they do. I don't know whether it is a French thing inculcated into the team ( is that racist?)
15 Feb 2013 14:02:48
12 Feb 2013 19:23:59
Even when you look at other countries league still produces better half backs, I know he's a brilliant player but Darren Carter is nowhere near as good as Darren Lockyer was or even as good as the likes of Marshall and Thurston.
Union is a game dominated by forwards with limited skill.
Yeah Definately and that's why players like Joel Tomkins and Andy Farrell end up playing at centre in union, there more skilful than union backs.
There are more registered rugby union players in England than all the league players on the planet, enough said!
Yes but just because there's more doesn't mean that there better and to be honest that stat sounds like bull.
Its a different game. All you need 2 be a good player anywhere on the pitch in league is a bit of power, a lot of pace and beable to count to 5. You don't even need a brain. Its just run as fast as you can then either side step and run or try break through. Do that 5 times then kick. Union is much more tactical and a lot of league players wouldn't have a clue
Is that why union has ex league players coaching at international level like Farrell, Edwards & ford
Yes I admit union players are a lot cleverer but union is like chess whereas league is like rally driving and I know which one I'd rather watch.
Are you having a laugh jimbob. It shows what a poor sport it is when your not even allowed to challenge for the ball. I grew up watching league and used to love it but when I started watching union league began to bore me
11 Feb 2013 16:13:59
I was happy with the result. When wales beat england now it will be wide open for 3 teams
Unfortunately chris I can't disagree with you about England. They are looking good at the moment although Wales have some momentum with them now and can only build on it. About robshaw I wouldn't pick him as captain or any other back rower for that matter as there is no certainty about them playing because of competition. For captain I would go for o Driscoll and at 7 tipuric for the moment as he is playing brilliantly and is more suited to battling pocock than robshaw for me.
I know what you mean W. D. But I feel odriscoll's powers are on the wain and I'm not saying I'd necessarily pick Robshaw but I've got a funny feeling he may get the nod
Yes that's the worry re Driscoll, if he stays fit all six nations then I reckon he will be the favourite if not then it could be anyone from a number of people.
09 Feb 2013 18:38:58
They were awful today, what was going on with that pitch though? It looked awful, I've seen better pitches in non-league football.
What you doing watching the union LP?
I can watch international union, I just find it boring at club level, I prefer to watch league but the only problem is there is no competition for Australia in league.
07 Feb 2013 21:35:04
Recent seasons have made me think that it will always be Leeds (don't know how they do it) Wooden spoon Salford
03 Feb 2013 12:38:08
Saints were awful, I was really disappointed by them but its not how you start it's how you finish, Leeds have shown us that.
That's true - but only one one round played and so we can only talk about one round?
Huddersfield do normally start well though, they've got a good squad this year
To be honest puzzeled I was half expecting that as we did the same last year against wigan, we will get thru half way the season then just drop off and teams will figure out that we are just a team of big forwards so they will fling the ball out wide and run down the pitch and score. i'm not even going to attempt to pretend I want anderson in charge because I dont, we will get found out soon.
Well I thought you'd be happy because you have Lunt back
Yes I am puzzled but we got rid of greg eden, why o why did anderson do that, i'll tell you. its because he doesn't like players with skill, only big lumoy forwards that run into anything. eden was getting compared to billy slater at one point the lad is phenominally good, so what do we do, get rid of course. duh!
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